【聊了什么 The What】 「A Real Pain」是由我们很喜欢的杰西·艾森伯格（Jesse Eisenberg）编剧和导演的一部电影，讲述了两位性格迥异的表兄弟David（由艾森伯格饰演）和Benji（由基兰·卡尔金饰演）为纪念他们已故的祖母而一同前往波兰参加犹太传统之旅的故事。在波兰旅行期间，他们不仅探访祖母童年的家，还参观了华沙犹太区英雄纪念碑和马伊达内克集中营等历史遗迹。 这部电影像是一个隐形的视角，带着我们，跟堂兄弟俩一起走完了波兰黑暗之旅，电影中讨论了人的痛苦，或大或小，都同样真实——不仅是大屠杀的集体创伤，还有每个人无法消解的痛苦。 我们在这集播客聊了这部电影，以及几个女的如何思考和化解痛苦与创伤。 "A Real Pain" is a film written and directed by Jesse Eisenberg (who we kinda have crush on), telling the story of two cousins—David (played by Eisenberg) and Benji (played by Kieran Culkin)—who travel together to Poland on a Jewish heritage tour to honor their late grandmother. During their Polish journey, they visit their grandmother's childhood home and historical sites including the Warsaw Ghetto Heroes Monument and Majdanek concentration camp. The film offers an intimate perspective, following the cousins through Poland's “dark tour.” It explores how pain—whether monumental or mundane—is equally real for those experiencing it, addressing not only the collective trauma of the Holocaust but also each person's unresolvable individual suffering. In this episode, we discuss the film and how we, as women and friends, process and work through pain and trauma. 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： * 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * 海内用户：https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm * 商务合作邮箱：cyberpinkfm@gmail.com * 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: * Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * Those in China: https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm * Business Inquiries Email: cyberpinkfm@gmail.com * Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022 【时间轴 The When】 * 00:01:00 电影介绍，这俩人演堂兄弟，证明我们在正确的宇宙次元 * 00:08:43 从一则弹窗广告被启发，到把"黑暗之旅"搬上银幕，这个电影可能是Jesse Eisenberg想了一辈子的故事 * 00:11:15 聊一聊集中营和火车的那段戏，PTSD，工业化屠杀 * 00:25:30 如何在巨大的犹太人屠杀的历史创伤中，理解个人的痛苦？从David和Benji中，转向我们对痛苦的理解 * 00:37:50 痛苦被倾诉后能不能被化解？这部电影是否有给我们一个答案 * 00:47:51 创伤叙事：国家主义和个人之间的冲突 * 00:01:00 Film introduction, these two actors playing cousins confirms we're in the right universe * 00:08:43 From inspiration via a pop-up ad to bringing a "dark tourism" story to screen—this film may be the story Jesse Eisenberg has wanted to tell his entire life * 00:11:15 Discussion of the concentration camp and train scenes, PTSD, and industrialized genocide * 00:25:30 How to understand personal pain within the context of the enormous historical trauma of Jewish genocide? Moving from David and Benji toward our own understanding of suffering * 00:37:50 Can expressing pain help resolve it? Does the film offer us an answer? * 00:47:51 Trauma narratives: conflicts between nationalism and individual experience 【拓展链接 The Links】 * 傷痛與觀看：淺談「黑暗觀光」──林潤華 * Personal Visit to Majdanek Extermination Camp * 活出生命的意义 (Chinese Edition) 【疲惫红书 CyberRed】 除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。 Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun, and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu! Support on Patreon | 爱发电上赞助

【聊了什么 The What】 《影后》是一部深入探讨女性友谊、职场关系和娱乐圈现实的台湾剧集。通过几位不同年龄阶段女演员的视角，该剧以META的方式反映了台湾娱乐业的变迁与挑战。 这不只是一部简单的"宫斗剧"，而是一部贴近现实的职场剧。剧中几位中年甚至老年女性角色的感情和人际关系发展，展现了人生不同阶段的成长可能性。薛亚之与周凡的关系打破了观众对角色与演员的刻板印象，也把女性之间嫉妒和爱并存的关系刻画的十分细腻。 我们聊到了从琼瑶剧到偶像剧再到现代台剧，这些不同时期的台湾影视作品如何塑造了我们对爱情和生活的理解。《影后》作为新一代台剧，不只讲述了演艺圈的故事，也折射出社会对女性期望的变化，成为台湾文化界照见自己的一面镜子。 “Born for the Spotlight” is a Taiwanese drama series that deeply explores female friendships, workplace relationships, and the realities of the entertainment industry. Through the perspectives of actresses at different age stages, the series reflects the changes and challenges of Taiwan's entertainment industry in a meta way. This isn't just a simple "palace drama," but a workplace drama that closely mirrors reality. The emotional and interpersonal relationship development of several middle-aged and even elderly female characters in the show demonstrates the possibilities for growth at different stages of life. The relationship between Xue Yazhi and Zhou Fan breaks viewers' stereotypes about characters and actresses, and also portrays the coexistence of jealousy and love between women with great subtlety. We discussed how Taiwanese media from different periods—from Chiung Yao dramas to idol dramas to modern Taiwanese series—have shaped our understanding of love and life. "The Actress," as a new generation of Taiwanese drama, not only tells the story of the entertainment industry but also reflects changing societal expectations of women, becoming a mirror for Taiwan's cultural industry to see itself. 【本期嘉宾 Guest】 东尼，行星酒馆主播（一个在动荡时代里，分享离散故事的华语播客。） 【五月天购票链接】 今年3月29日，五月天成团25周年“回到那一天”演唱会将登陆拉斯维加斯忠实体育场（Allegiant Stadium）。这是五月天北美巡演的唯一一场，请记住，是唯一一场，也是华语歌手在北美开唱的最大规模和最高规格。演出将斥资千万美金打造，从巨型五球华丽舞美，到环场巴士，带你体验原汁原味的五月天魅力。 3月29日这个日子也很特别，是五月天正式成军的纪念日。从七号公园初次登场的那个三月，到拉斯维加斯五万人共享的星空，我们一起坐上时光机，穿越回忆任意门，体验一趟精彩万分的旅程，回到属于你和五月天的那一天。 无论你来自哪个国家，无论你是听着五月天歌长大的老粉，还是刚刚喜欢上他们音乐的新粉，这场演唱会，都不容错过。 [Copy of Mayday_25th_US+lnfo-01.jpg] 请访问iemshowplace.com或Ticketmaster，或点击这个链接购票锁定席位： 购票链接：点击这里 VIP套餐还包含专属观赏区、快速通道和限量纪念礼包，值得收藏。 加入五月天，永远不会太迟。 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： * 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * 海内用户：https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm * 商务合作邮箱：cyberpinkfm@gmail.com * 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: * Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * Those in China: https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm * Business Inquiries Email: cyberpinkfm@gmail.com * Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022 【时间轴 The When】 * 00:03:54《影后》如何处理群像，一个松散的女演员”圈子“ * 00:11:20 胖姐为什么戳中了我们的泪点 * 00:13:48 柯丽芬和TB迟来的道歉和原谅 * 00:22:28 周凡和薛亚之之间不被行业和社会支持的非性缘共生关系 * 00:34:10 欧美和东亚女演员的“角斗场” * 00:35:06 史爱玛的性格刻画的好吗？她的问题是太年轻太想要吗？ * 00:45:26 《影后》又新又旧的感情和婚姻观念 * 00:51:33 台湾娱乐的文化产品怎么养大了我们，构筑了我们的感情观 * 00:58:50 大S去世与我们摄入信息时代的变迁 * 01:05:35 新的时代让我们获得了什么、失去了什么 * 01:07:58 大小S以及台娱“又新又旧”的黄金时代 * 00:03:54 How "Born into the spotlight" handles its ensemble cast, a loose "circle" of female actresses * 00:11:20 Why the "pangjie" character touched our heartstrings * 00:13:48 Ke Lifen and TB's belated apology and forgiveness * 00:22:28 The non-sexual symbiotic relationship between Zhou Fan and Xue Yazhi that isn't supported by the industry or society * 00:34:10 The "arena" for Western and East Asian actresses * 00:35:06 Is Shi Aima's character well-portrayed? Is her problem that she's too young and too ambitious? * 00:45:26 "Born into the spotlight" and its modern and traditional views on relationships and marriage * 00:51:33 How Taiwan's entertainment cultural products raised us and built our views on relationships * 00:58:50 Barbie Tsu's passing and the changes in how we consume information * 01:05:35 What the new era has given us and what we've lost * 01:07:58 Barbie and Dee Hsu, and the "both new and old" golden era of Taiwanese entertainment 【疲惫红书 CyberRed】 除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。 Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun, and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu! Support on Patreon | 爱发电上赞助

【聊了什么 The What】 重大发现：一月是星期一。大家多喝水。 Main takeaways: January is Monday. Stay hydrated. 【听众专属福利】 一起订阅《三联生活周刊》数字刊会员年卡吧！ 🎉 疲惫娇娃专属渠道粉丝下单享受六折优惠🎉 [905e7277e744630bbcc8f7cb0f36e3c0.JPG] 【疲惫红书 CyberRed】 除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。 Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun, and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu! 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： * 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * 海内用户：https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm * 商务合作邮箱：cyberpinkfm@gmail.com * 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: * Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * Those in China: https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm * Business Inquiries Email: cyberpinkfm@gmail.com * Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022 Support on Patreon | 爱发电上赞助

【聊了什么 The What】 2024年初，日本记者伊藤诗织发布的纪录片《黑箱日记》以其私密的镜头语言和坦诚的叙事方式，记录了她从2015年遭遇性侵，到2017年实名举报，再到近年来推动日本性暴力相关法律变革的漫长历程。这部纪录片不仅是一份个人的创伤记录，更是对日本社会性别议题的深度剖析：警方的敷衍了事，媒体的冷漠反应，路人对受害者的污名化，和伊藤诗织站出来为自己和更多沉默者发声的巨大勇气。 这期节目中，小蓝与嘉宾探讨了这部纪录片所呈现的复杂现实：一个女性记者如何在追求新闻专业主义的同时，不得不把自己的创伤经历变成公共讨论的一部分；为什么在日本这样的民主社会，年轻女性却如此缺席性别议题的公共讨论；以及在整个东亚地区，女权运动如何在各自的政治文化背景下寻找突破。从警察机构到司法体系，从传统媒体到新媒体平台，从个人抗争到集体行动——，我们如何在时代的重重局限下突出重围，追求系统性变革的可能？ In early 2024, Japanese journalist Shiori Ito released her documentary "Black Box Diaries," which uses intimate cinematography and candid storytelling to chronicle her long journey: from experiencing sexual assault in 2015, to publicly reporting it in 2017, and her subsequent efforts to reform Japan's sexual violence laws in the following years. The documentary is not just a personal record, but also a deep analysis of gender issues in Japanese society - showing the police's perfunctory handling of her case, the media's indifferent response, public stigmatization of victims, and Ito's immense courage in speaking up for herself and other silent survivors. The episode features discussions between Xiaolan and guests about the complex realities presented in the documentary: how a female journalist must balance professional journalism while being forced to turn her traumatic experience into part of public discourse; why young women are so notably absent from public discussions of gender issues in a democratic society like Japan; and how feminist movements across East Asia navigate breakthroughs within their respective political and cultural contexts. From law enforcement to the judicial system, from traditional media to new media platforms, from individual resistance to collective action - how can we break through the limitations of our time to pursue systemic change? 【参与人员 The Who】 * 小蓝：疲惫娇娃主播、媒体工作者 * 弦子：女性主义者、发声者、写作者 * 兆音：调查记者、BBC纪录片“追查「痴汉」——谁在售卖日本性侵偷拍影片”制作人 * 林珊：珊越拾穗的主播、科尔比学院访问助理教授 * Xiaolan: Host of CyberPink, media professional * Xianzi: Feminist activist, writer * Zhaoyin: Investigative journalist, producer of the BBC documentary "Catching a Pervert: Sexual Assault for Sale" * Lin Shan: Host of "Shan Yue Shi Sui," visiting Assistant Professor at Colby College 【时间轴 The When】 * 00:00:58 《黑箱日记》的故事背景 * 13:47 伊藤的记者与性侵幸存者双重身份 * 20:57 纪录片中最私密的时刻：用镜头记录自己的创伤 * 41:05 日本社会的性别困境：为什么支持伊藤的多是年长女性？**更正：日本学运发生在60年代末 * * 52:12 记者作为性暴力受害者 * 01:11:38 日本的政治冷感与女权运动 * 01:21:39 从个案到制度：日本性暴力相关法律的变迁与局限 * 01:30:44 东亚女性的共同命运：如何在父权制度下寻找发声与改变的可能 * 00:00:58 The story behind "Black Box Diaries" * 13:47 Meeting Ito: the journalist and the survivor * 20:57 The intimacy of documenting your own trauma * 41:05 Japan’s gender problem: Why are Ito's supporters mostly older women?* *Correction: the Japanese university student protests happened in the late 1960s * * 52:12 Journalists as survivors * 01:11:38 Political apathy and the unique path of feminist movements in Japan * 01:21:39 Driving systemic change: The evolution of Japan's sexual violence laws * 01:30:44 Finding our voice under east asian patriarchy 【拓展链接 The Links】 * 寫在日本《刑法》性犯罪修正案與《同志法案》通過之後 https://changyuchieh.com/2023/06/16/gay-law/ * BBC紀錄片：追查「癡漢」——誰在售賣中國日本性侵偷拍影片－ BBC News 中文 * 抓住那个“痴汉”文章 * BBC纪录片《猎食者：日本流行音乐的秘密丑闻》 * 法庭外的12小時，弦子訴朱軍案開庭首日 文章 * 神圣无花果之种 电影 * Girls Will Be Girls 电影 【疲惫红书 CyberRed】 除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。 Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun, and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu! 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： * 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * 海内用户：https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm * 商务合作邮箱：cyberpinkfm@gmail.com * 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: * Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * Those in China: https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm * Business Inquiries Email: cyberpinkfm@gmail.com * Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022 Support on Patreon | 爱发电上赞助

【聊了什么The What】 Sean Baker导演的《Anora》讲述了一个布鲁克林性工作者阿诺拉将信将疑地踏上现代版灰姑娘的南瓜马车，却没想到渡过了人生最疲惫的24小时加班的故事。2024年的我们和Anora一样，都心知肚明在当代的美国，老套“救风尘”的故事已经是一个骗局。在我们看来，这是一个细腻而富有共鸣的故事。Baker和演员一起塑造了一个狡黠的、天真的、完全能为自己做主的年轻女孩，故事中的细节：无论是南布鲁克林的景观、Anora东欧移民的背景、还是电影中年轻人真诚的愚蠢，让这个故事能够打动哪怕是我们中最愤世嫉俗的人。结局的那一刻，Anora和我们都明白，那辆充满寓言意味的南瓜马车并非跨越阶级的虫洞，一切落幕之后，Anora获得了可能比钻石戒指更珍贵的东西 — 看清了自己是谁以及她能做到什么。终章之处，南瓜马车驶过，留下的不是阶级虫洞的幻影，是比钻戒更为珍贵的馈赠——Anora在这场冒险中看到了真实的自己，大起大落之后她并没有失去为自己挣出未来的无限可能。 Sean Baker's latest film "Anora" follows a Brooklyn sex worker who steps into a modern-day Cinderella story, only to find herself enduring the most exhausting few days of her life. In 2024, both we and Anora know full well that the classic "Pretty Woman" narrative is a sexist and tiresome trope. But Baker manages to tell a nuanced, relatable story through Anora. The specificity of it — Southern Brooklyn's landscapes, her immigrant background, and the genuine innocence and naivety of youth — allows this story to warm the heart of even the most cynical among us. In the end, the proverbial pumpkin carriage isn't an invitation to cross class lines, but a journey of self-realization. 本期节目由【大人糖】赞助播出。新的一年即将来临，假期旅游成本高，那不如先尝试一下大人糖家的新品拂悦？ This episode is sponsored by the female sexual wellness brand OSUGA. Tune in to hear our thoughts on their newest sex toy "Osurging." 🎉【听众专属福利】 对大人糖新品感兴趣的朋友们，可通过以下2种方式获得专属优惠，拂悦原价359元，领券后到手价299元，备注【疲惫娇娃】还可额外赠送99元大礼包，同时之前推荐的小海豹和兔子月这次也可享专属优惠价哦，具体可以点击链接查看详情哦✌ 1. 点击这里跳转或复制这整段口令【97￥TEDQ3zak3zU￥】到淘宝领专属优惠券，下单直接满减 2. 淘宝搜索【大人糖旗舰店】，私信客服，报暗号【疲惫娇娃】领专属券下单 🌟重要提示！ 1、下单时记得一定要备注【疲惫娇娃】才会随单一起送出礼包哦！ 2、部分苹果手机是最新系统的听友可能会遇到口令无法跳转的情况，选择第2种方式购买也可以 另外！考虑到我们有部分海外听众，可通过点击➡ Osuga，下单输入优惠码【疲惫娇娃】可立减15%，但到手价格&优惠政策与国内不同享哦，有需要的朋友们可以自由选择 [4940fb74cc485a69a01efd195017346f.jpg] 【时间轴 The When】 * 00:08:41 导演Sean Baker的独特视角:边缘人群的故事 * 00:13:41 安妮 vs. 阿诺拉: 脱衣舞娘与东欧移民的两个面向 * 00:32:27 性工作在不同文化语境下的讨论差异 * 00:42:21 天真与成长:安妮对辛德瑞拉式爱情的幻想与觉醒 * 00:48:54 Vanya的童真与残忍:一个未长大的富二代形象 * 00:56:52 Igor的复杂性:暴力与温情并存的打手 * 01:07:37 结尾镜头的突破和深意 * 00:08:41 Sean Baker's Unique Perspective: Stories from Society's Margins * 00:13:41 Ani vs. Anora: Dual Perspectives of a Stripper and Eastern European Immigrant * 00:32:27 Sex Work: Cultural Context Differences * 00:42:21 Innocence and Growth: Ani's Cinderella Fantasy and Awakening * 00:48:54 Vanya's Childlike Cruelty: Portrait of an Immature Trust Fund Kid * 00:56:52 Igor's Complexity: The Enforcer's Balance of Violence and Tenderness * 01:07:37 The Final Shot's Deeper Meaning 【拓展链接 The Links】 * [红莺歌 Red Canary Song] (https://www.redcanarysong.net/) * Mikey Madison Declined an Intimacy Coordinator on ‘Anora,’ but Professionals Say There Should Always Be One: Actors and Directors ‘Can’t Speak for How Every Extra Felt’ 【疲惫红书 CyberRed】 除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。 Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu! 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： * 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * 海内用户：https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm * 商务合作邮箱：cyberpinkfm@gmail.com * 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: * Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * Those in China: https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm * Business Inquiries Email: cyberpinkfm@gmail.com * Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022 Support on Patreon | 爱发电上赞助

【聊了什么The What】 Netflix的这韩国综艺《黑白大厨：料理阶级大战》以其独特的"阶级对决"设定，将韩国美食界的精英与草根厨师置于同一个舞台，从产业内不同厨师的故事讲起，给了我们一张韩国餐饮业在2024年当下的切片。 在这期播客中，疲惫娇娃的主播和嘉宾周成荫老师展开了一场关于美食、文化和身份认同的深度对谈。如何能把一档美食综艺拍成惊心动魄的《鱿鱼游戏》（虽然没有看到鱿鱼料理）？为什么韩国人眼里的正宗中餐是我们觉得有点过时的老牌江浙菜？米其林体系下的美食标准真的有普适性吗？ “Culinary Class Wars,” Netflix’s latest hit cooking show, masterfully stages a compelling clash between 80 “black spoons” chefs against 20 industry-acknowledged “white spoons”, and offers a fascinating snapshot of Korea’s latest culinary landscape. In this episode, our hosts and our guest Prof. Eileen Chow dived into a conversation about competitive reality TV, food, culture, and identity. How does a cooking show manage to channel a level of intensity that rivals “Squid Games” but sadly without a single squid dish in sight? Why does the Korean perception of authentic Chinese cuisine what we consider old-school glazy Jiangzhe classics? Can the Michelin standards, rooted deeply in the European culinary tradition, truly serve as a universal measure of culinary excellence? Tune in to find out. 【时间轴 The When】 * 03:39 "黑汤匙"与"白汤匙"之争：看似阶级对立，实则并非泾渭分明 * 29:56 厨房里的性别困境：为什么女性大厨总是被特殊对待 * 38:14 韩综如何平衡真实性与戏剧效果 * 52:53 Edward Lee的身份认同困惑与突破 * 01:02:53 为什么节目里的中餐都是江浙菜系主导 * 01:08:44 全球化背景下的本土美食认同 * 03:39 Gamifying the class tension in the culinary world * 29:56 The female chef’s dilemma * 38:14 Making cooking feel like high drama * 52:53 Edward Lee: A Korean-American chef searching for identity * 01:02:53 Why Jiangzhe food shaped the perception of Chinese food in korea * 01:08:44 Local flavors as anchor of identity 【疲惫红书 CyberRed】 除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。 Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu! 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： * 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * 海内用户：https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm * 商务合作邮箱：cyberpinkfm@gmail.com * 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: * Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * Those in China: https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm * Business Inquiries Email: cyberpinkfm@gmail.com * Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022 Support on Patreon | 爱发电上赞助

【聊了什么The What】 今年是不是加了速？ 在时间的加速阴谋下，四个女的照例录制了一期秋季氛围检查。然而，等到节目剪出来要写文案的时候，已经是十一月初（？怒录一期冬季氛围检查然后回家过年）。 每年的十月份、十一月份、和挤满节日的十二月，都像是一个星期中消耗速度最快的周末。我们期待它们，但是它们也在宣告着时间在以不可思议的速度流逝的事实。下一年的音乐会排期已经出来了，时尚圈也开始宣告2025春季和夏季的trends——这些穿插在社交媒体和我们邮箱中的图片、讯息、数字、速朽的标题和色彩，都让人产生一种时间错位感。 每期的氛围检查我们都基本上100%脱稿，想哪说哪，想聊什么就聊什么。这期也是一样的闲聊风格。我们聊了身处在美国社会对于大选的“逃避”，最近读了什么书，我们对于年龄和身体感知的感悟。还有一些乱七八糟想哪说哪的话题。 各位娃们11月快乐！ Has time been accelerating this year??? Under the conspiracy of time's rapid passage, four of us gathered as usual to record our fall vibes check. By the time we finished editing and about to drop this episode, well, it was already early November… October, November, and holiday-packed December always feel like the fastest-passing weekend of a week. We look forward to them, yet they also declare the undeniable fact that time flows at an unforgiving speed. Next year's concert schedules are already out, the fashion world has begun announcing trends for spring and summer—these images, messages, numbers, ephemeral headlines, and colors interweaved throughout our social media and emails create a sense of temporal displacement: when is this? As with all our vibe checks, we kept this episode 100% unscripted, speaking freely of our stream of consciousness. We have been "avoidant" of this election (as we all live in the US), we discussed some books we've read, and as usual, this episode is packed with various random stuff uttered from our mouths. Happy November, everyone! 【时间轴 The When】 03:05 十月约等于星期五，十一月约等于星期六 08:00 四个女的在关注大选吗？对于这场选举的心态发生了哪些变化？ 15:10 四个女的最近在看什么剧 39:55 （一个关于年龄的感慨）“身体表达”逐渐变成了不一样的概念，和身体的关系在逐渐变化 52:35 （又一个关于年龄的感慨）我到底应不应该更成熟？我应该如何对待所谓的晚辈？ 59:50 （还是一个关于年龄的感慨）“成功”是个模糊且主观的概念 01:03:50 从美剧聊到投行，以及我们如何看书、听书 03:05 October feels like a Friday, November feels like a Saturday 08:00 Are four of us following this election? (NO) How have our attitudes towards this election evolved? 15:10 What shows are we watching lately? 39:55 (Reflections on age) "Physical expression" takes on new meaning as our relationship with our bodies evolves 52:35 (More thoughts on aging) Should I be more mature? How should I interact with younger generations? 59:50 (Yet another age-related musing) "Success" is an ambiguous and subjective concept 01:03:50 From TV shows to investment banking; how we read books and listen to books 【拓展链接 The Links】 Outliers: The Story of Success) Nexus: A Brief History of Information Networks from the Stone Age to AI Industry) Father Ted Trust) 【疲惫红书 CyberRed】 除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。 Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu! 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： * 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * 海内用户：https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm * 商务合作邮箱：cyberpinkfm@gmail.com * 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: * Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * Those in China: https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm * Business Inquiries Email: cyberpinkfm@gmail.com * Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022 Support on Patreon | 爱发电上赞助

【聊了什么The What】 最近的几个月里，一个穿越了中国和美国的超级文化现象是《黑神话：悟空》这款游戏。 我们几个女的其实除了一芳之外都不怎么玩游戏，但是为了去理解《黑神话：悟空》之后的文化现象，小蓝决定一头闯进这个游戏的宇宙。女性游戏玩家在参与游戏的时心路历程是怎样的？魂系游戏如何在我们沉浸在游戏剧情的时候，让我们感知到自己的主体？ 魂系游戏的魅力在哪里？什么才是所谓的硬核玩家？女的玩游戏这一路上到底挨了多少骂？ 当很多人把《黑神话：悟空》的出海热潮视为国产文化的输出巅峰，却出现了关于团队厌女言论的争议，我们如何去理解类似的游戏行业持续的厌女现象？我们请来了两个在游戏界工作的女的一起和我们聊聊《黑神话：悟空》，梳理了Gamergate 1.0 和2.0的始末，分享了对于游戏的态度。 本期嘉宾： * 游戏设计师、策展人和写作者杨静 * 在北美游戏业界工作也是游戏爱好者Jing “Black Myth: Wukong” is China's first so-called "AAA" blockbuster video game, and CyberPink gals are here to talk about it. We haven't discussed gaming before, as none of our hosts (other than Yifang) are avid gamers, but we couldn't pass up the opportunity to join the discourse around this cross-cultural phenomenon that's the game of the summer (or dare we say, year). To fully understand the hype around "Black Myth: Wukong," all participants in this episode played the game. Especially Xiaolan who decided to jump right into the Wukong universe, as a new gamer. Along with our two guests who are both gaming industry professionals and passionate gamers, we discuss the psychological journey of female gamers as they engage with the game. Is "Black Myth: Wukong" considered a Soulslike game, and if so, how do Soulslike games allow us to perceive our agency while we're engrossed in the game's narrative? While many view the commercially successful "Black Myth: Wukong" as a pinnacle of Chinese cultural export in recent years, news about misogynistic comments from the development team surfaced. What does this mean for the persistent misogyny in the gaming industry as a whole? We talk about Gamergate 1.0 and 2.0, what it means to be a woman and a gamer, and the gaming community at large. Tune in for a riveting discussion on "Black Myth: Wukong" and more! Our Guests： * Game designer, exhibition curator and writer Yang Jing * Gaming industry professional and gaming enthusiast Jing 【时间轴 The When】 * 02:00 几个女的们玩过的那些复古游戏 （你还记得什么是软盘吗？） * 33:53 黑神话悟空这个游戏给我们带来的感受 * 50:45 游戏界的遗憾和诟病：有哪些有毒的鄙视链和偏见 * 1:02:13 这款游戏是“文化出海”的高度？是“crazy rich asians”现象？ * 1:19:00 团队的厌女言论和争议 * 02:00 Retro games we've played (Do you remember what a floppy disk is?) * 33:53 Our first impressions of "Black Myth: Wukong" * 50:45 Regrettable aspects of the gaming world: Toxic hierarchies and prejudices * 1:02:13 Is this game considered the epitome of Chinese "cultural export"? Is it another "Crazy Rich Asians" phenomenon? * 1:19:00 The team's misogynistic comments and the ensuing controversy 【拓展链接 The Links】 相关文章： * 《黑神话：悟空》，能力越大 责任越大 风险越大 by 杨静，链接 * 关于Gamergate 1.0，讲者：Zoey Quinn，链接 * IGN关于黑悟空厌女争议的文章 我们的推荐： * 山河旅探 * 解构团队 * 迪斯科极乐世界 * 潜水员戴夫 * 餓殍 * 博德之门3 【疲惫红书 CyberRed】 除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。 Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu! 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： * 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * 海内用户：https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm * 商务合作邮箱：cyberpinkfm@gmail.com * 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: * Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * Those in China: https://afdian.net/@cyberpinkfm * Business Inquiries Email: cyberpinkfm@gmail.com * Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022 Support on Patreon | 爱发电上赞助

【聊了什么The What】 疲惫娇娃的这期节目聊了在美国上映的电影“Didi (弟弟)”。这部电影探讨了成长的阵痛和13岁的男主角在加州的移民身份的问题。它是台裔导演王湘圣Sean Wang的长篇初作，也是一部自传性质的作品。故事围绕一个13岁的台裔美国男孩Chris展开。在2008年短短两个月的暑假里，他经历了初恋、与家人的矛盾、对自我身份的迷惘，以及发现了对视频制作和滑板的热爱。 我们从”Dìdi 弟弟”这个电影名开始，聊了聊了我们对于这部怀旧青春电影的回应。故事中隐藏的重男轻女的情节和男孩在网络上的成长，都在我们自己作为90后的成长轨迹中有迹可循。 In this episode, we discuss the recently released film "Dìdi" (meaning "little brother" in Chinese). This coming-of-age story explores the growing pains of its 13-year-old protagonist the summer before starting high school in Fremont, California. The film marks the directorial debut of Taiwanese-American filmmaker Sean Wang and draws heavily from his own experience. The narrative centers on Chris, a 13-year-old Taiwanese-American boy, during a transformative two-month summer vacation in 2008. Throughout this brief period, Chris navigates his first love, family conflicts, identity confusion, and discovers his passion for videography and skateboarding. Starting with the film's title "Didi," we share our thoughts on this nostalgic youth drama. The subtle themes of gender and the boy's growth in the early digital age resonate with our own experiences as old millennials. The story's portrayal of gender bias within East Asian families and the protagonist's online coming-of-age journey mirror aspects of our own upbringings. 【时间轴 The When】 * 05:38 《弟弟》:一部关于2008年的怀旧电影 * 16:28 光标和键盘，PC和社交媒体，这个故事关于被互联网养大的我们 * 23:25 "Bro, that's so weird!":电影通过bro来传达健康的男性气质？ * 30:36 陈冲的母亲角色:无条件的爱与包容 * 40:39 东亚式养育剧本:缺席的父亲、受困的母亲、离开的姐姐，和疼爱孙子的祖母 * 01:08:38 两代台湾导演的自传式电影对比，”来自女性的照料“如何被男性创作者们看到 * 05:38 didi is a nostalgic film set in 2008 * 16:28 the story explores how our generation was raised by the internet, featuring cursors, keyboards, PCs, and early social media * 23:25 the film may be attempting to convey healthy masculinity through the use of "bro" culture * 30:36 Joan Chen portrays a mother figure characterized by unconditional love and acceptance * 40:39 the movie presents a typical East Asian family dynamic with an absent father, a trapped mother, a departed sister, and a doting grandmother * 01:08:38 a comparison with autobiographical works by different generations of Taiwanese directors, particularly in how male creators depict care from women 【疲惫红书 CyberRed】 除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。 Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content to talk about our readings, what we are watching, the events we are going to, and more. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu! 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： * 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * 海内用户：https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm * 商务合作邮箱：cyberpinkfm@gmail.com * 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: * Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * Those in China: https://afdian.net/@cyberpinkfm * Business Inquiries Email: cyberpinkfm@gmail.com * Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022 Support on Patreon | 爱发电上赞助

【聊了什么The What】 纠结了一个夏天，我们还是决定聊一聊Drake和Kendrick的Rap Beef（说唱对决）。对于在国内长大的小杨和一芳来说，来到美国之后面对着从“从未考虑过种族“到迷迷糊糊开始思考自己身份的漫长成长过程。而这个成长过程中很重要的文本就是说唱音乐——更具体地说，是Kendrick Lamar的音乐。 这场Rap Beef不仅仅是两个天才创作者之间争夺影响力的创作对决，还掀起了遍布各个角落的涉及嘻哈文化、性别、种族、艺术创作与商业成功之间的大讨论。在这场rap battle中，多首音乐被制作出来，随着battle的火力程度升级，家暴、恋童等指控成为歌词里面乱飞的字母武器。 这些男性rappers们在个人恩怨中提出的未经证实的指控，是在保护真实的女性，还是名人男性之间相互利用对方对于失去名利的恐惧？这些看似正义的歌词其实与受伤的女性无关？嘻哈音乐是否有内生的厌女倾向，还是它只是反映了手握资源的人们对女性困境的不为所动？ As a pop culture podcast, we can’t not talk about one of the biggest cultural moments in hip hop (and beyond): the infamous rap battle between Drake and Kendrick Lamar. But for us here at Cyberpink, dissecting this rap beef goes further than just chronologically listing out who dropped what song when, or the cultural significance of “Not Like Us.” When we first experienced racialization as young immigrants, Kendrick’s profound lyrics were part of the canonical texts we read to understand race and identity in the U.S. Kendrick vs. Drake goes beyond two rappers showing off their creative chops -- it started a whole conversation around how we should consume and evaluate hip hop culture. As insults were traded and the battle escalated, accusations of domestic violence and pedophilia became lyrical weapons casually thrown around; no women or child was spared as partners, sons, daughters, and parents got dragged into the mix. Are these unverified accusations meant to protect real women, or are the two rap stars using each other’s fragile ego and fear of losing fame or wealth for their own gain. What are they gaining -- clout or their name in history as the winner? And at what cost -- women who get caught in the crossfire and further extending hip-hop’s inherent misogynistic tendencies? Is this whole showdown an indication that those with resources are indifferent to women's plight? It’s our job as culture consumers to ask these tough questions. Tune in for our discussion. 【时间轴 The When】 * 00:00:39 Drake与Kendrick Lamar的说唱对决的前因后果 * 00:04:57 Drake: 来自加拿大的混血童星和“说唱界变色龙” * 00:12:44 Kendrick Lamar: 来自康普顿底层的声音，rap即诗歌，也是黑人文化的守护者 * 00:18:05 这场battle开始来真的: 音乐创作中开始出现大量个人攻击，战情升级 * 00:25:56 "Family Matters"与"Meet the Grahams": 当家庭成为歌词中的战场 * 00:31:57 "Not Like Us"和说唱音乐的性别困境 * 00:41:06 女艺术家们如何battle: Charli XCX和Lorde的和解 * 01:00:10 怎么办，我最爱的音乐人是一个艺术怪物 * 00:00:39 Drake vs. Kendrick: how the rap battle started * 00:04:57 Drake: A biracial child star from Canada and too much of a chameleon? * 00:12:44 Kendrick Lamar: A voice from Compton, rap as poetry, and guardian of Black culture * 00:18:05 The battle gets real: Music creations start to include numerous personal attacks, escalating tensions * 00:25:56 "Family Matters" and "Meet the Grahams": When family becomes a battlefield in lyrics * 00:31:57 "Not Like Us" and hiphop culture’s gender problem * 00:41:06 Female artists beef differently: The reconciliation between Charli XCX and Lorde * 01:00:10 What if your favorite artist is an art monster 【拓展链接 The Links】 * R-E-S-P-E-C-T * Survivor Trauma Cannot Be Treated as Just Another Bar in a Rap Battle * Drake and Kendrick Lamar Is the Last Great Rap Beef. Thank God. * Drake and Kendrick Lamar are weaponising feminism * Every Drake-Related Easter Egg In Kendrick Lamar’s “Not Like Us” Music Video 【结尾音乐 The Song】 Women by Little Simz 【疲惫红书 CyberRed】 除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。 Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content to talk about our readings, what we are watching, the events we are going to, and more. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu! 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： * 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * 海内用户：https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm * 商务合作邮箱：cyberpinkfm@gmail.com * 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: * Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * Those in China: https://afdian.net/@cyberpinkfm * Business Inquiries Email: cyberpinkfm@gmail.com * Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022 Support on Patreon | 爱发电上赞助

【聊了什么The What】 “Minor Feelings”是由韩裔美国作家诗人Cathy Park Hong的一本书，通过回忆录、文化批评和历史回顾的方式探讨了亚裔美国人流动的身份、情感和经历。作者自己作为一个“东亚女儿”和“少数族裔作家”的多重身份让她能敏锐地感受一系列仿佛已经成为日常的羞耻、愤怒和自我怀疑。在美国这样一个高度种族化的社会，亚裔往往被塑造成“模范少数族裔”，他们的勤奋和成功成了主流社会维护现状的工具。然而，当他们感受到种族歧视时，这套话术往往又会阻止亚裔美国人的表达。这些因为边缘身份产生的”微妙情感“（minor feelings）与美国关于种族的主流叙事相冲突，和亚裔美国人这个群体一样在黑白分明的种族讨论中被忽视或误解。 这本书最近被翻译成了中文在中国发表，名为《少数派的感受》。我们也借此契机请到我们的好朋友，杜克大学教授周成荫来谈谈种族意识、模范少数族裔神话以及历史事件对个人和集体身份的影响。 我们也分享了自己的移民经历，以及这些微妙情绪是如何在我们的日常情境和系统结构中产生的。 "Minor Feelings" is a book by Korean-American poet and writer Cathy Park Hong that explores the fluid identity, emotions, and experiences of Asian Americans through memoir, cultural criticism, and historical review. As an "East Asian daughter" and a "minority writer," Hong keenly perceives a range of everyday feelings of shame, anger, and self-doubt. In the highly racialized society of America, Asians are often cast as the "model minority," with their diligence and success used as tools to uphold the status quo of mainstream society. However, when they experience racial discrimination, this narrative often stifles Asian Americans' expressions. These "minor feelings" that arise from marginalization conflict with the mainstream American narratives about race and, like the Asian American community, are often overlooked or misunderstood in the black-and-white racial discourse. Recently translated into Chinese and published in China, we took this opportunity to invite our good friend, Duke University professor Eileen Chow, to discuss racial consciousness, the model minority myth, and the impact of historical events on personal and collective identity. We also shared our own immigration experiences and how these subtle feelings arise in our everyday situations. 【时间轴 The When】 00:29 《少数派的感受》:一本探讨亚裔美国人身份和经历的重要著作 02:50 解析“微妙情绪“:少数族裔在美国的日常挣扎 08:06 一代移民与二代移民的经历对比 13:40 亚裔美国人身份认同的复杂性 20:20 大学里的亚裔学生组织:寻找归属感 31:03 Eileen和小蓝在职场中的微妙种族歧视经历 45:14 亚裔内部的代际矛盾:政治立场的分歧 52:23 共同体意识的形成与挑战 01:17:22 多元文化经历作为一种“超能力” 01:24:39 如何利用自己的特权推动社会进步 00:29 “Minor Feelings”: A crucial book exploring Asian American identity and experiences 02:50 Analyzing “minor feelings”: Daily struggles of minorities in America 08:06 Comparing first-generation and second-generation immigrant experiences 13:40 The complexity of the Asian American identity 20:20 Asian student organizations in college: Searching for belonging 31:03 Eileen and Xiaolan's experience with subtle racial discrimination in the workplace 45:14 Generational conflicts and political stance divergences within Asian communities 52:23 Forming a coalition and a collective consciousness 01:17:22 Multicultural experiences as a “superpower” 01:24:39 Reflecting on how to use privilege to drive social progress 【拓展链接 The Links】 登上《时代》杂志封面的“东亚女儿” - 澎湃新闻 亚裔美国人，一个美丽但充满缺陷的虚构故事 Letter to My Child: Cathy Park Hong on the Peculiar Rhythms of Life During Quarantine 【疲惫红书 CyberRed】 除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。 Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content to talk about our readings, what we are watching, the events we are going to, and more. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu! 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： * 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * 海内用户：https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm * 商务合作邮箱：cyberpinkfm@gmail.com * 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: * Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * Those in China: https://afdian.net/@cyberpinkfm * Business Inquiries Email: cyberpinkfm@gmail.com * Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022 Support on Patreon | 爱发电上赞助

疲惫娇娃已经不知不觉更新了50期！在2024年的年中，我们邀请大家继续支持这四个女的把播客做大做强。感恩有你们。 【聊了什么The What】 这是一期六月份录制的疲惫娇娃的夏日氛围检查。我们紧急（？）抽查了四个女的的精神状态，以及如何应对“2024年怎么就过了一大半”的时间之谜。 同时，我们瞎扯了在这个夏天在各地的旅行和观察，包括眉头紧锁忧虑意大利经济、在南法的戛纳边参加婚礼边沉浸式体验班味十足的影展、在伦敦搬砖却被锁在共享工作室外要靠美国人来救等等。另外我们还闲聊了一些推荐的书和展。以及在路上 vs 在家土豆 vs 在路上土豆的种种支撑四个女的把日子好好过下去的精神养料。 另外，大家可以关注我们的小红书去看我们提到的萨金特展。 Recorded back in June, this is our summer vibe check with CyberPink. We conducted an urgent(?) mental health check on the four women and explored the time-bending mystery of "How is 2024 already half over?" We chat about our summer travels and observations, our concerns over Europe's economy, recounting our experience attending a distinctly not-chill Cannes film festival, starving in the south of France, being locked out of a shared workspace in London, only to be rescued by overworked Americans. We also chat about books and exhibitions, and discuss the various intellectual nourishments that keep us going - whether we're potating on the road or couch-potating at home. Please follow our Red (Xiaohongshu) account to see the Sargent Exhibition. By the way, CyberPink has quietly reached its 50th episode! As we hit the midpoint of 2024, we invite you to continue supporting these four women in making this podcast a better one. 【时间轴 The When】 02:25 2024怎么就过了一大半 + 山西午休文化 13:45 四个女的为啥吵架——对于发短信、线上沟通的不同期待 29:30 我们几个在夏天去了哪里，做了什么 46:27 我们看了什么剧、看了什么书 01:01:28 我们看了那些展，对于这些展的解读 02:25 How is 2024 already half over? + Shanxi's siesta culture 13:45 Why women argue: Differing expectations for texting etiquette and how to get stuff done 29:30 Our summer adventures: Where we went and what we did 46:27 Screen time and page-turners: TV shows and books we've enjoyed 01:01:28 Art in focus: Exhibitions we've visited and our interpretations 【拓展链接 The Links】 Snakehead: An Epic Tale of the Chinatown Underworld and the American Dream Biography of X: A Novel The Light Eaters: The Unseen Intelligence Shaping Our Understanding Monsters: A Fan's Dilemma John Singer Sargent Yoko Ono exhibition at Tate Modern Unravel: The Power and Politics of Textiles in Art Rogues by Patrick Radden Keefe 【疲惫红书 CyberRed】 除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。 Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu! 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： * 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * 海内用户：https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm * 商务合作邮箱：cyberpinkfm@gmail.com * 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: * Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * Those in China: https://afdian.net/@cyberpinkfm * Business Inquiries Email: cyberpinkfm@gmail.com * Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022 Support on Patreon | 爱发电上赞助

[本期节目有广告！由【泰诺氨酚拉明片】赞助播出！] 泰诺氨酚拉明片是一款夜间专用的止痛药, 有需要的听友，可在美团搜索“泰诺夜间止痛”，即可购买。 ⭐⭐点击跳转链接⭐⭐ (超链接请点这里！) 另外，这次泰诺联合小宇宙的播客企划「夜间止痛站」也将在上海大学路举行线下快闪活动。泰诺联合老百姓大药房会举行一些有趣的科普互动，大家可以在7月8号至14号前来打卡！ [image.png] 【聊了什么 The What】 今天这期节目聊了《Challengers 挑战者》，今夏美国最火的电影之一，由已经晋升好莱坞当之无愧一线女星赞达亚、和两位男演员乔希·奥康纳和麦克·费斯主演。电影使用了非线性的叙事方法，从2019年的一场挑战赛的决赛比赛开场，慢慢道出三个人之间情感三角历史，在十多年的纠葛当中，他们之间的关系变得更加复杂，同时网球比赛在他们三个人的生命当中，也成为了爱情三角的具象化。 In today's episode, we unpack this summer's hottest blockbuster "Challengers," starring A-list superstar Zendaya, Josh O'Connor, and Mike Faist. We follow these three gorgeous on-screen characters as the movie volleys back and forth in time to show us over a decade of entanglement, and we dissect how their relationship as friends, lovers, and foes, evolves over time. This episode includes a sponsored ad for Tylenol. 【时间轴 The When】 * 0:00 泰诺广告时间 * 3:57 我们对Challengers这部电影的第一感觉 * 10:00 这部电影的美学，摄影，和独特的视角（最后观众变成了球） * 13:20 这场平平无奇的网球比赛其实是三个主人公借假修真的灵魂之旅，人与人的直接竞争 * 21:18 网球其实是一个不太隐晦的性隐喻 + 专业运动员对本片的评价 * 30:20 导演对于三人情愫的刻画 * 32:55 分析Tashi的成长弧线和三个人之间的三角关系 * 50:20 Tashi是奖赏？是裁判？是三人命运的操控者？ * 1:04:00 继续分析三角关系，他们每个人都是赢家？ * 1:17:05 这个电影的植入勾起了强烈的购物欲, 本电影的时尚设计 * 0:00 sponsored ad for Tylenol * 3:57 Our first impressions of "Challengers" * 10:00 The film's aesthetics, cinematography, and unique perspective * 13:20 This seemingly ordinary tennis match is a journey of self-discovery for the three protagonists in disguise, showcasing the reality of competitive sports * 21:18 Tennis as a not-so-subtle sexual metaphor and professional athletes' review of the film * 30:20 The director's portrayal of the emotional dynamics between the three characters * 32:55 Analysis of Tashi's character arc and the complex love triangle between the three * 50:20 Is Tashi deemed a prize by the two men? Is she a referee, or the puppet master of the trio's fate? * 1:04:00 Deeper analysis of the love triangle: are they all winners in their own way? * 1:17:05 The film's product placement and what it says about sports and branding, in association with the film's costume design 【疲惫红书 CyberRed】 除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。 Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu! 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： * 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * 海内用户：https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm * 商务合作邮箱：cyberpinkfm@gmail.com * 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: * Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * Those in China: https://afdian.net/@cyberpinkfm * Business Inquiries Email: cyberpinkfm@gmail.com * Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022]() Support on Patreon | 爱发电上赞助

【聊了什么The What】 英国导演Alex Garland的新作《美国内战》(Civil War)以一场虚构的美国内战为背景，引发了广泛关注和争议。作为A24迄今为止最大制作，电影集全明星阵容和炫目视效于一身，更因触及当下美国社会分裂、政治极化的议题而备受瞩目。然而，电影却避开了最敏感的政治问题，转而以四名战地记者为主角展开叙事，聚焦新闻伦理和人性挣扎，也因此被批评为避重就轻。 在本期节目中，疲惫娇娃的两个女的与美轮美换的主播Lokin和小华一起，探讨以下问题：在战争中，镜头背后是新闻理想主义的湮灭，还是人性的回归？在信息过载的时代，我们是否还有余力正视战争和苦难的真相？摄影和报道究竟能否改变世界，抑或终将被时代洪流所淹没？影片刻意模糊了内战的起因和立场，这是否在鼓吹一种危险的相对主义，还是向观众传达了更有价值的提醒？ 大选将至，如果你也想要和我们四个女的一样收到优秀的关于美国大选的中文内容，欢迎加入美轮美换最新推出的会员计划：https://theamericanroulette.com/paid-membership/ Alex Garland's latest film, "Civil War," was set against a fictional war between two different factions within the United States. The film has sparked considerable controversy. It explores America’s political reality through the lenses (zing!) of four war correspondents, centering on journalistic ethics and the struggles of the human condition, but somehow sidestepping all of the more contentious, real political issues currently dividing America. We were not sure if we liked this artistic choice, so we recorded an episode with our friends from 美轮美换 The American Roulette to process it. Do we like Alex Garland’s decision to obscure the causes of the war? Why do we need photojournalism? Do we still have the capacity to process the harsh realities of conflict and suffering, and hold complexities in this age of social media? With the election around the corner, if you would also like to receive high quality Chinese content on US politics, please consider joining American Roulette's membership program: https://theamericanroulette.com/paid-membership/ 【时间轴 The When】 * 00:01:44 介绍播客《美轮美换》及其关注的2024年美国大选。 * 00:03:54 讨论电影《美国内战》Civil War的情节和导演Alex Garland的作品。 * 00:16:13 Alex Garland导演对战地记者职业的矛盾心理刻画 * 00:41:06 电影对种族主义暴力的直白展现 * 00:49:06 导演在政治立场上的模糊态度引发争议 * 00:56:22 战争带来的不确定感和混乱感 * 01:02:09 摄影记者的自我矛盾：记录还是介入? * 01:09:24 社交媒体时代，记者的责任与观众的责任 * 01:16:08 前辈记者对后辈的无奈：这一行太苦，但拦不住你 * 01:18:03 尽管科技发达，战争的荒谬感依旧没变 * 00:01:44 Introduction of the podcast “ American Roulette” and its focus on the 2024 U.S. presidential election * 00:03:54 Discussion of the plot of "Civil War" and the works of director Alex Garland * 00:16:13 Alex Garland's portrayal of the conflicting psychology of war correspondents * 00:41:06 Blunt portrayal of racist violence * 00:49:06 Alex Garland did not take a stand but do we need him to? * 00:56:22 The uncertainty and chaos of war * 01:02:09 The self-contradiction of photojournalists: to document or to intervene? * 01:09:24 In the age of social media, the responsibility of journalists and the responsibility of the audience * 01:16:08 Senior journalists' helplessness towards their juniors: This profession causes inevitable moral or physical injuries, but they can't stop people from joining * 01:18:03 Despite advances in technology, the absurdity of war remains unchanged 【疲惫红书 CyberRed】 除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。 Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu! 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： * 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * 海内用户：https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm * 商务合作邮箱：cyberpinkfm@gmail.com * 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: * Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * Those in China: https://afdian.net/@cyberpinkfm * Business Inquiries Email: cyberpinkfm@gmail.com * Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022 Support on Patreon | 爱发电上赞助

【聊了什么The What】 这是“Wife三部曲"的最后一集，这个系列以我们最最熟悉的“妻子”这个社会职能为圆心，画一个谨慎的半径，这个半径包括我们的思考和恐惧，包括作为妻子意味着什么。 然而这期播客可能是我们四个在人生这个阶段录的最重要的一期播客之一 —— 这期播客让我们反思了作为一个有强烈创作欲望，但同时有妻子和母职需要履行的女性应该如何兼容这这些极端的角色。 为了准备这期播客，我们一起读了三本关于女性创作的书：讲述奥威尔妻子艾琳的Wifedom，讲述作家乔治·艾略特的The Marriage Question，和讲述“成为怪物的艺术家”的Monsters: A Fan's Dilemma。许多伟大的男性艺术家背后都有默默付出的妻子，而女性一旦成为母亲往往就被吸干注意力，失去创作的空间。这三本书中被抹去的女性、挣扎的女性、和小心翼翼担忧成为怪物母亲的女性们，都在试探着自我实现和作为妻子/母亲这两者的边界。 同时，我们也通过观察Ursula Le Guin等等女性作者的生命历程和创作历程拷问"伟大的母亲"的角色。当一个伟大的母亲需要为了自己的创作而"离开"，怎么办？在资本主义效率至上的逻辑下，母亲的付出被视为理所当然，价值也被剥夺，但我们是否应该反思和重估母职劳动的价值？ This is the final episode of the "Wife Trilogy," a series that takes the highly familiar social role of the "wife" as its central focus. This topic encompasses our contemplations on the profound implications of being a wife. However, this podcast episode may well be one of the most significant we have recorded at this stage of our lives. It prompts us to reflect on how an individual with a fervent creative drive can possibly reconcile with the rigid social demands of that of a wife. In preparation, we collectively delved into three books exploring women's creative pursuits: "Wifedom," chronicling the story of Eileen, the wife of George Orwell; "The Marriage Question," illuminating the private life of novelist George Eliot; and "Monsters: A Fan's Dilemma," examining the notion of the "monstrous female artist." Many great male artists have benefited from the silent sacrifices of their wives, while women, upon becoming mothers, often find their creative energies drained and mental space constricted. By observing the lives and creative trajectories of women authors such as Ursula Le Guin, among others, we interrogate the notion of the "great mother." Can a good mother just "leave" to pursue her artistic endeavors? Under the capitalist system of efficiency, a mother's contributions are taken for granted, their value stripped away. Should we not re-evaluate and reappraise the worth of maternal labor and how it is actually a fiercely and terrifyingly intellectual pursuit? 【时间轴 The When】 06:50 Wifedom：作家奥威尔的妻子艾琳为他创造写作条件，自己的才华却被埋没, 自己的存在被抹去 19:00 The Marriage Question：女性作家乔治·艾略特挑战传统，但也试图符合把自己塞入拧巴的”人妻“角色 30:50 Monsters: A Fan's Dilemma: 女性艺术家最大的"罪行"被视为忽视不好好做一个母亲 39:00 母职和创作是一个互不兼容的死结吗？ 51:30 Ursula Le Guin：重新审视持家和养育的意义，它是人类最古老、最伟大、最重要、也对智识要求最高的的劳作 06:50 Wifedom: Story of Eileen O‘Shaughnessy, how she created the conditions for George Orwell’s writing while her own talents were buried 19:00 The Marriage Question: How George Eliot challenged societal traditions but also struggled to conform to society's expectations of a wife 30:50 Monsters: A Fan's Dilemma: The greatest crime of female artists is neglecting her children 39:00 Is balancing motherhood and creative work impossible? 51:30 Ursula Le Guin: Reexamining the meaning of homemaking and childrearing, which are among humanity's oldest and most important labors 【拓展链接 The Links】 Wifedom: Mrs. Orwell's Invisible Life The Marriage Question Monsters: A Fan's Dilemma Biography of X The Creative Act: A Way of Being Ursula Le Guinn: Words Are My Matter 【疲惫红书 CyberRed】 除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。 Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu! 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： * 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm * 海内用户：https://afdian.com/a/cyberpinkfm * 商务合作邮箱：cyberpinkfm@gmail.com * 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 Support on Patreon | 爱发电上赞助